Talk:Prime Minister of India

Name of the nation

Article 1(1) of constitution clearly mentions - India, that is Bharat. Also government website like this one mentions "India, also known as Bharat...."

So, Why should not the word Bharat be included here? Some people refer it as jingoism, a question can be posed- is calling the motherland by its original name jingoism?

See WP:COMMONNAME. puru brahmpal singh rahav. Your edits in other articles are the equivalent of adding "America U.S.A.". --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:05, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 24 May 2014

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Protected edit request on 24 May 2014

I need to edit this wikipedia page because the prime minister of India is Narender Modi right now 182.160.108.82 (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)thanks Shalini

He will be, but after 26 May. Thanks. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 13:22, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Not after 26 May ,but from 26 May 2014.Care taking Prime minister (Manmohan singh for Now) can not sign on 26 may. So as per rule Mr.Narendra Modi is undisputably Honorable Prime Minister of India.As old cabinet already dissolved on 25 may 2014 officially.So its now better to list Mr.NArendra Modi as Prime minister of India ,SO that International Readers not get confused. --RahulTag (talk) 11:53, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Prime minister of india is changed - its now Narendra MODI

Abishekwiki (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The new PM of India has changed as of 5 minutes ago.

2605:E000:130C:4066:C592:D880:C290:3E06 (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

• Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 12:59, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Narendra Modi took the oath of office about half an hour ago and is now prime minister of india. BBC news has reported this = http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-27572807 - i hope this provides the reliable source required Dn9ahx (talk) 13:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Need to update PM of India. Prashant krgupta (talk) 13:01, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Ajay kumar Rana 13:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The prime minister of India isn't manmohan singh anymore. Narendra modi has taken over as India's pm Miheer93 (talk) 13:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Page needs updation. Rahul gandhi

Ayushkash (talk) 13:14, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

16th Dhirendra pratap singh

192.71.175.2 (talk) 13:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

See WP:CRYSTAL Nthep (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Please do not add any more edit requests

An administrator will come by and make the edit. Please be patient. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:31, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

To the admin who's taking care of this, this is probably what you want to revert to. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:36, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• NeilN, this page is only semi-protected at the moment if you would like to take care of it. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:52, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, someone else beat me to it. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 13:54, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion

Interested Users are invited to give their individual opinion about this Redirect Butcher of Gujarat which is directed at this page Narendra Modi. You can give your opinion here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_21#Butcher_of_Gujarat

--C E (talk) 08:57, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

This discussion is now closed. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

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47.31.64.140 (talk) 17:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

loksabha road

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

National Emblem

India has no state emblem. It has national emblem. The idea of state in UK and US is very different than India. Pranav jung (talk) 22:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2020

Exceedingly awaited visit of Honourable Indian prime Minister Narandra Modi to Bangladesh on the occasion of Mujib100 ceremony was cancelledhttps://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/news/mujib-borsho-celebrations-modi-join-thru-video-conference-1879456 due to worldwide corona virus crisis https://www.kolkata24x7.com/modis-bangladesh-tour-cancelled-over-corona-virus-fear/ that rested people of Bangladesh in deepest sorrow & sadness. RashidHumayu (talk) 21:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

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Dear Deacon Vorbis,

This is to update somewhere:

Exceedingly awaited visit of Honourable Indian prime Minister Narandra Modi to Bangladesh on the occasion of Mujib100 ceremony was cancelled due to worldwide corona virus crisis that rested people of Bangladesh in deepest sorrow & sadness.

News Sources are: https://www.thedailystar.net/backpage/news/mujib-borsho-celebrations-modi-join-thru-video-conference-1879456 https://www.kolkata24x7.com/modis-bangladesh-tour-cancelled-over-corona-virus-fear/

Reason of request: Because this visit would be the first ever visit of Honorable Prime Minister to Bangladesh.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by RashidHumayu (talk • contribs) 15:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Correction in the section 1984–1999

In this section there is a sentence "After V. P. Singh's resignation, Chandra Shekhar—home minister in Singh's cabinet—along with ". This is factually incorrect because Chandra Sekhar was not Home Minister in V P sing's cabinet, it was Mufti Mohammad Sayeed. Infact Chandra Sekhar was never a minister in any cabinet prior to becoming the PM of India. He assumed Priministership on 10 November 1990, and its the same date when he took charge of Home Ministry.

A correction in need in this section removing the phrase "home minister in Singh's cabinet"

Reference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Home_Affairs_(India) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._P._Singh_ministry — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dpspeaking (talk • contribs) 18:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dpspeaking: You are right as this contemporaneous article also highlights. Thanks for pointing it out! Abecedare (talk) 23:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2020

Fron: In addition, former prime ministers rank seventh on the Indian order of precedence, equivalent to chief ministers of states (within their respective states) and cabinet ministers As a former member of the parliament, the prime minister receives a minimum pension of ₹20,000 (US$230) per month, plus—if he/she served as an MP for more than five years—₹15,000 (US$180) for every year served.

To: In addition, former prime ministers rank seventh on the Indian order of precedence, equivalent to chief ministers of states (within their respective states) and cabinet ministers As a former member of the parliament, the prime minister receives a minimum pension of ₹20,000 (US$230) per month, plus—if he/she served as an MP for more than five years—₹1,500 (US$18) for every year served. 117.201.85.67 (talk) 16:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

References

 Done. Numbers are from 2015, and it seems like those numbers have changed. An update would be appreciated. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Updating the image to the latest

The article is about an official post so I think it should have the image of the official portrait of the incumbent. So I make bold to update it with the latest. Appu (talk) 17:13, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Bold move

I made a bold move to change the description of the article from the Leader of the Executives of the Government of India to the Head of the Government. Because the PM is not just the executive leader but also by default the Leader of the House in Lok Sabha which is the most important part of the supreme legislative body, Parliament of India. Hence the Prime Minister is more than just the leader of 'executives'. Appu (talk) 10:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

President is the nominal head of government

The president although nominal is the head of government. There is nothing that contradicts this in the constitution. Instead, Prime minister is defined as the head of council of ministers. "There shall be a Council of Ministers with the Prime Minister at the head to aid and advise the President who shall, in the exercise of his functions, act in accordance with such advice"

That is why I have edited the short description. Thanks Appu (talk) 20:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

"Government" is commonly used as a synonym of the executive branch (as in "Modi's government", etc.). The role of WP:SHORTDESC is to help the reader identify the correct article; and not to engage in constitutional debates. Explaining "Prime Minister of India" as "Head of the Council of Ministers of India" is a classic example of ignotum per ignotius. I've restored the no-nonsense definition as "Head of the government in India". — kashmīrī ^TALK 17:41, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Appu (talk) 18:03, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Article lede edits

I just reverted a series of edits by AtishT20 that significantly changed the article lede. To expand upon the explanation I gave in my edit-summary:

• there may be some merit in simplifying the lede. For example:
  • reducing the redundancy within "The prime minister is the leader elected by the party with a majority in the lower house of the Indian parliament, the Lok Sabha, which is the main legislative body in the Republic of India.[10] The prime minister and their cabinet are at all times responsible to the Lok Sabha....however the prime minister has to enjoy the confidence of the majority of Lok Sabha members, who are directly elected every five years, lest the prime minister shall resign. " (and 'lest'?)
  • Some of the references may be movable to the article body, since wikipedia guidelines don't really require the lede to have inline citations.

That said:

• Any reference should be deleted from the lede only after ensuring that it, or a equally strong reference, is cited for the corresponding statement in the article body.
• Some of the new language was IMO overly-casual, for example
  • Calling the president "nominal head of the executive branch" rather than sticking with standard verbiage of "constitutional head of state"
  • calling the PM "leader of the Union Council of Ministers". IIRC the PM is supposed to be primus inter pares among in council of ministers. My recollection may be faulty, and its arguable whether this is (still) true in practice, but effort must be made to see what the sources say and make sure we reflect that.

That's just a few examples. And I do have some questions regarding even the current lede (is it the PM or is it the council of minister that "need to enjoy the confidence of the majority of Lok Sabha members" etc; how do the sources phrase it?), which too can be discussed.

(TL;DR)  AtishT20 can you explain the thoughts behind your various changes so that we can discuss and gain consensus over what should be retained? Abecedare (talk) 01:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I have only got to access the talk page now as it wasn't working before. I apologise for not replying sooner. I have changed the main body as it goes into detail about unnecessary things. AtishT20 (talk) 16:04, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@AtishT20: By 'main body' are you referring to the article lede or the part (ie, rest) of the article that follows it? Also, per WP:BRD, it would be best to discuss the proposed changes here so that we don't get stuck in a revert cycle. Abecedare (talk) 14:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

PM

May I suggest that we keep the main body more simple? Im not referring it to things like Simple English Wikipedia but rather I don't think we need to add details such as "The lower house of the Indian Parliament" or the "main legislative body in India". The links are there for people to click on if they don't know what they are. AtishT20 (talk) 16:08, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

@AtishT20: Please don't keep adding your own recycled versions and source them to the preexisting sources (i.e. the ones I had introduced). As admin @Abecedare: told you in the edit summary of his revert that there might be a case for reducing the lead paragraph, but not in the way you were attempting to do it. I don't see that your favorite "ad hoc" is particularly popular in the best sources. Earlier you were engaged in boostering one prime minister, arguing about pictures. Then you were arguing with me about whether the prime minister was the leader of the council of ministers. Now you seemed to have picked a word or two from the discussion on my talk page but are saying something completely different. I'm not sure what your game plan is here. Please suggest some sentences here, and we can decide if they have due weight, if WP:TERTIARY sources favor them. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:39, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

There are many ways to simplify and reduce the lead paragraph. Here is one that is in sync with the sources:

The prime minister of India is the head of government of the Republic of India. Ordinarily, executive authority is vested in the Prime Minister and their chosen Council of Ministers, though the President of India is the constitutional head of state. The prime minister is the leader elected by the party with a majority in the lower house of the Indian parliament, the Lok Sabha, which is the main legislative body in the Republic of India. The prime minister and their cabinet are at all times responsible to the Lok Sabha.

Nothing else is needed in the lead paragraph. No order of precedence, no what house s/he can be a member of; all that can go into the second paragraph. They are details, not essentials. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:41, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

In the version I reverted, you had written:

The prime minister of India is the de facto head of government of India. Under the Constitution of India, the President of India is the nominal head of the executive, however it is the prime minister, in reality, who is the chief executive. The prime minister is the chairperson of the party with a majority in the lower house of the Indian parliament, the Lok Sabha.

The first two sentences are repetitive. What is "in reality?" The cited source says, "ordinarily," which has a very different meaning than "in reality." You've used one expression "chairperson" (applied the Council of Ministers) from the discussion on my user talk page to transplant to the party with a majority of which he is actually the "leader" not the chairperson. I'm flabbergasted what you are attempting to do on this page and the list of prime ministers page. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:03, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Wondering about the sentence "The prime minister is the leader elected by the party with a majority in the lower house..." since (a) it presumes that there is a majority party in the LS, and that (b) the PM is the leader of that party. The former is often not the case and the latter is arguably ambiguous.

Afaik, the PM only needs to enjoy the majority support in the LS in order to form and sustain the government. Can anyone check how the sources, esp. recent ones published following the coalition-era, phrase this? Abecedare (talk) 14:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, the Prime Ministerial candidate is invided by the President, and he/she needs to win a vote of confidence in the House. V. P. Singh did not have majority in the House, and neither did Atal Bihari Vajpayee the first time when he was invited. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Could one of you please fix that sentence. I'm not too knowledgeable here. I may have begun editing this article or its companion article (and FL) List of ..., after being requested to do so by an editor. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

The cited source Anashri Pillay in Cambridge Companion ... says, " Like the British system, there are two houses of parliament – the Lok Sabha, which has 545 members, is the main legislative body. In practice, it is the party with a majority in the Lok Sabha which elects its leader as the Prime Minister." Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kautilya3 and Abecedare: I have accommodated your objection in the lead with a phrasing cited to Britannica. Sorry, to not present it here first, but I really have to get to the Darjeeling FAR. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I tweaked it a bit to make it accurate. The point is that there may be no party or coalition with majority in the lower house, as it happened with V. P. Singh. Efforts to salvage the situation can be made, but they may not always succeed. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:20, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the tweaks F&f and K3! I have some other thoughts on the lede but don't want to make edits based on memory/personal knowledge or (worse) make you run around copyediting and digging up sources on my behalf. So let me read up a bit on the topic and get back; may be a week or so. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

By the main body yes I am referring to the lede. AtishT20 (talk) 16:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I still don't understand why the main body has to explain what the parliament or the Rajya sabha is? It doesn't contribute to the actual role of the Prime minister. AtishT20 (talk) 16:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia caters to a readership that is not necessarily familiar with all the terms in the politics of one specific country. The terms need to be explained a little. Please note the full paragraph of the Britannica article, List of Prime Ministers of India, I have cited in the current version of the lead:

India’s head of state is the president, whose powers are largely nominal and ceremonial. Effective executive power rests with the Council of Ministers, headed by the prime minister, who is chosen by the majority party or coalition in the Lok Sabha (lower house of parliament) and is formally appointed by the president. This is a chronologically ordered list of the prime ministers, from the earliest to the most recent. (Britannica)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

@AtishT20: When writing for a general audience, it is always a good idea to briefly define or at least contextualize the terms-of-art, especially the ones not in English. You and I may be familiar with Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha but imagine how frustratingly opaque it would be to read something like 'the honcho is a member of gambla but owes his power to the dukat." Less fancifully, read the current version of the lede para of President of Iran and try figuring out what "the volunteers" and "the guardian council" and "those members of the guardian council" refers to. Abecedare (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Hindi name in the infobox

An editor Nishānt Omm (talk · contribs) has changed the official Hindi name in the infobox in this edit and removed the previous version with the edit summary, ("No citation required. Hindi term for "Indian Prime minister" is more appropriate than "Prime minister of India")

The page name in the Hindi Wikipedia is: भारत का प्रधानमन्त्री (Google Translate: Prime Minister of India, and reverse from English to Hindi) and the Infobox title is प्रधान मन्त्री, भारत (Prime Minister, India, both ways). The Hindi WP article begins with भारत गणराज्य के प्रधानमंत्री (Google Translate: Prime Minister of the Republic of India, both ways). NiOm's translation भारतीय प्रधानमंत्री, as they themselves state, seems to be that of "Indian Prime Minister" (Google Translate, both ways). We obviously can't decide what is the appropriate name and make such major and conspicuous changes without having substantial support in the majority of reliable sources. I will accordingly be reverting their edit. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Why is the Hindi analog of 'Prime Minister of India' included in the infobox at all? I could at least understand if we were talking about intrinsically Hindi terms such as Lok Sabha where the IAST would provide the pronunciation but don't see any such justification here. Abecedare (talk) 20:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

The removal of Hindi has my vote. I have no idea why it is there, but it is only one in a long line of bells and whistles in the infobox—the bigger Indian emblem, the emblem in shining gold, the better-looking picture of Modi, the expression "de facto," and the bigger flag—that Aatish20 has chosen to edit war over on this page and the List of Indian PMs. They were doing this long before I was invited to review the List by DaxServer and I accepted. The Hindi was likely there before, but Aatsh20 has certainly made it conspicuous. See my user talk page and their posts there. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:52, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this is an excuse to blame AtishT20 (his name is AtishT20 not 'Aatish20' or 'Aatsh20' as you state). Yes his edits have been disruptive but that's not what we are discussing here. It wasn't him who added the Hindi to the infobox but rather he changed the Hindi which was wrong in the box. So let's focus on that instead and deal with him another time! 82.37.162.122 (talk) 16:38, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe I added it there. If I did I probably have forgotten. As far as I can recall I only changed the spelling AtishT20 (talk) 12:08, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Then again Hindi forms as one of the official languages of India, and one used predominantly by the federal Government of India. AtishT20 (talk) 12:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Also why are you bringing me up? The writing in Hindi isn't relevant to the edit War I had. AtishT20 (talk) 12:14, 6 May 2022 (UTC)