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Redlinked tracking categories

Nearly every run of Special:WantedCategories, for cleaning up redlinked (i.e. non-existent) categories that have to be either created or removed as pages aren't allowed to sit in redlinked categories, always contains at least one, and much more frequently several, new template-generated categories of the "Articles containing [Language]-language text", "Articles with [Language]-language sources (lang-x code)" and/or "Pages with [Language] IPA" varieties, because somebody has added new lang-x templates to a Wikipedia article for a language that didn't already have those categories in place yet.

Since like other categories they can't stay red, but unlike most redlinked categories they're template-generated and thus impossible to remove without removing the template entirely (which would be disruptive), I end up having to invest my time into creating the categories on your behalf even though I'm not a member of this project.

Since these are maintenance-tracking categories which are allowed to be empty, however, nothing would stop this project from just preemptively creating every possible category of this type right off the bat, so that the category is already there when needed instead of turning into a redlink cleanup problem for me to fix. So would somebody associated with this project be willing to tackle creating any missing categories of those types for any and all languages that don't have them yet, so that it stops becoming my problem? (You could almost certainly farm the drudgery part of that out to a bot instead of having to do it all manually, but you guys are in a much better position than I am to figure out which categories are missing in the first place.) Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 12:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I just had to create another one. This should not be my problem to fix, and needs to stop becoming my problem to fix, so could somebody please address this somehow? Bearcat (talk) 14:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can manually create the categories myself. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of family colors to Template:Infobox language/family-color

Many of the large American language families have no specific color in the language infobox. I propose to add colors for some of the major families, as presented below. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support this. PersusjCP (talk) 01:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, do we keep 'American' as family-color of other American families, or just some? E.g. should the American color apply to family isolates, or to unclassified American languages, as such languages are colored as 'Papuan' in New Guinea, or should they get the 'isolate' and 'unclassified' color? One potential problem I see is that it can be difficult to decide whether an American or Papuan language is an isolate. — kwami (talk) 00:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only to the small families, so isolates get the isolate color, as I have already implemented, and I suppose unclassified languages get their color too, but they could also use the American color. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I peopose the same treatment for the Papuan isolates. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But isolates are small families. How is a family of two languages American, but a family of one not American? — kwami (talk) 00:42, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still find it better to use the isolate color for those specific languages, otherwise the entire color is pointless. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:45, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not pointless. It means 'none of the above'. It's not practical to create a distinct color for every language isolate, or in the Americas and Sahul for every larger family. In other parts of the world we have separate colors for families, but in the Americas, blue is 'none of he above'. Also, classification doesn't depend on whether divergent dialects are recognized as distinct languages. What you're saying is that isolate families in the Americas are not American. I'll revert your edits until we have a coherent way to treat the families that aren't one of the new colors. — kwami (talk) 00:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What would be consistent is to change the default American, Australian and Papuan color to the same grey as language isolates. — kwami (talk) 00:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then change all of them - you appear to have forgottten some like Takelma and Haida. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 01:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I got them too. — kwami (talk) 01:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I was only opinting them out as when you first reverted the changes you forgot some. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 01:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If someone is familiar with Indo-Iranian languages

...could they take a look at this diff? I'm hesitant about whether or not to revert. Jay Cubby 22:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Gascon dialect#Requested move 4 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gascon dialect#Requested move 4 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Tarifit#Requested move 9 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tarifit#Requested move 9 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Fathoms Below (talk) 01:25, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FAR for Nahuatl

I have nominated Nahuatl for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Erinius (talk) 17:06, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mid-Atlantic accent

I look a bit worried at this edit. Especially be cause I cannot find a "lengthy" discussion on the talk page. Just a normal discussion. Is this a correct edit? The Banner talk 00:38, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The section titled "Request for comment: partial split or total merge?" as well as what are currently the final three sections are probably all relevant. Largoplazo (talk) 04:01, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then I leave it. Still templates with a link to disambiguation page to be fixed. I am not doing that, as it would be gambling. :-) The Banner talk 13:06, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of your articles that are in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, 2025

Currently, this project has about ~163 articles in need of some reference cleanup. Basically, some short references created via {{sfn}} and {{harvnb}} and similar templates have missing full citations or have some other problems. This is usually caused by templates misuse or by copy-pasting a short reference from another article without adding the full reference, or because a full reference is not making use of citation templates like {{cite book}} (see Help:CS1) or {{citation}} (see Help:CS2). To easily see which citation is in need of cleanup, you can check these instructions to enable error messages (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist the monk's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper cleanup). See also how to resolve issues.

These could use some of your attention

To do

If you could add the full references to those article/fix the problem references, that would be great. Again, the easiest way to deal with those is to install Svick's script per these instructions. If after installing the script, you do not see an error, that means it was either taken care of, or was a false positive, and you don't need to do anything else. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:31, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]